mercoledì 18 aprile 2018

Auditor-General of South Africa terminates its auditing contracts with KPMG

Media releases

Auditor-General of South Africa terminates its auditing contracts with audit firms, KPMG and Nkonki Inc.

PRETORIA – Auditor-General (AG) Kimi Makwetu has announced his office’s decision to terminate, with immediate effect, the auditing contracts with KPMG and Nkonki Inc., who do public sector audits on behalf of the Auditor-General of South Africa (AGSA).
Use of private audit firms
As the country’s supreme audit institution that audits South Africa’s public sector, the AGSA, due to the size of its audits, uses various private audit firms – such as KPMG and Nkonki Inc. to audit on its behalf and to augment its auditing staff. When conducting these audits, the contracted firms stringently follow AGSA auditing standards, which include layers of rigorous internal and external, independent quality assurances and peer reviews to ensure that quality audit work is produced.

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mercoledì 11 aprile 2018

How Complementary Currencies Can Go Crypto And Change The World

APR 02, 2018

The Saber Case: How Complementary Currencies Can Go Crypto And Change The World

https://cointelegraph.com/news/the-saber-case-how-complementary-currencies-can-go-crypto-and-change-the-world


In the past few years we’ve been witnessing the new massive waves of cryptocurrency adoption — you can now pay in Bitcoin for almost anything from coffee to real estate. But the ideas were always above money in community and there is still so much untapped potential from decentralized digital coins. A history of Saber — a Brazilian complementary currency project, developed in early 2000s to promote the educational system, is an important example of the social potential we tend to forget keeping up with the rates of exchange.

Brief history of complementary currencies

Complementary currencies (CCs), also known as community currencies, are basically an alternative (or, indeed, a compliment) to conventional money. Their purpose is usually to strengthen the local economy at times of recession by stimulating additional transactions and therefore keeping the economic cycle in motion or to achieve certain social, environmental, or political goals.
In most cases CCs are not legal tender - i.e. they are not accepted at a national level; you can’t buy whatever you want using it - they only function as a quasi-monetary exchange medium for certain purposes within a restricted area. In theory, CCs should stimulate the local economy and encourage people to act collectively intelligent. Although replacing conventional money and undermining national currency is not usually the goal of a complementary currency, the state often appears to be reluctant to the idea, and the model has developed the reputation of an experiment, not a proven method.
The first complementary currencies could be traced back to ancient Egypt, where local people used otrakas — pieces of pottery — to issue receipts for the amount of harvest farmers would put into storage. Those pieces, in turn, could have been traded for local services. Similarly, in medieval Europe people would regularly turn in bracteates — pieces of jewelry — for new coins, although always with a deduction. The system was designed to prevent people from hoarding coins and keeping them out of the financial ecosystem. That, in turn, would increase the velocity of regular money.
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In recent history, CCs started to appear in the first half of the 20th century. One of the most notable example is the Wära free economy experiment held in Germany. The Wära was a currency introduced by Hans Timm and Helmut Rödiger, followers of a German merchant, theoretical economist and anarchist Silvio Gesell. During the course of the experiment, Wära banknotes were printed, available in denominations of 1/2, 1, 2, 5, and 10 Wära (one Wära would be equal to one Reichsmark) to support the economy of a mining town Schwanenkirchen, which had been hit with massive unemployment. Like otrakas in Ancient Egypt and bracteates in medieval Europe, Wära was a demurrage-charged currency, which means that each banknote had a monthly cost fee of one percent of its nominal value. This prevented people of Schwanenkirchen from storing the currency and putting it out of active circulation. It had its benefits for users too: for example, people who bought coal (the local economy’s staple) using Wära received a discount.
During the course of the experiment, Wära allowed local services to continue despite the fact that the national currency was scarce. As a result, new jobs were created and taxes were paid. However, the scheme ended abruptly: the finance ministry of the Reich forbade the currency, and the town returned to its previous decadent state.
Similar experiments were held in other countries around that time: local currencies were used in Wörgl, Australia (1932 - 1934), Alberta, Canada (1936) and in the US during times of Great Depression.

The Saber experiment

In 2003 a Belgian economist Bernard Lietaer collaborated with Brazilian professor Gillian Schwartz of São Paulo University - who has previously worked as an economist at various public and private financial institutions including BankBoston - to submit a proposal for a complementary currency called The Saber to the government of Brazil.
Saber was aimed to help Brazilian schools provide greater educational opportunities “without creating any new financial pressure on the economy”. The educational vouchers were designed to launch a substantial “learning multiplier” so that a given amount of money can produce more learning for a bigger number of students. In other words, The Ministry of Education would allocate Sabers among schools in economic areas where normally there is no funding for higher education. Local students at the age of 7 were to receive a certain amount of Sabers on the condition that they must choose a mentor among older students (they can later earn more Sabers by giving those lessons at the rate of 5 Sabers per hour). At the end, when they turn 17 and graduate from school, they could spend the gathered Sabers to pay (fully or partly depending on the available amount) university tuition fees.  
SABER
The mere idea of an alternative to the local currency sounded rather controversial. As  Schwartz remembers over a Skype call with Cointelegraph:
“Pioneers are doomed to see the other side of Jordan river, but never make it there. Maybe I was researching [the concept of creative currencies] too early, but anyway it’s not about anyone’s idea, it’s more about the zeitgeist”.
The Brazilian government declined the project at the review stage. However, 18 years since Schwartz's team first started doing the research on CCs, things have changed considerably. Now, the rise of Bitcoin allows more room for experiments in the financial area. Schwartz notices:
“I think it’s a learning process for everyone. Now the private banks, as well as some departments at a federal level are discussing blockchain technology here. Sao Paulo’s stock exchange has also been one of the pioneering institutions [in that regard].
Now it’s becoming much easier to explain to my partners, local leaders or young people what a creative currency could be, because there’s Bitcoin and all that discussion whears 10-15 years ago that would be seen as completely out of question — how can you even dare to substitute the real currency?”.

What’s next? A global creative cryptocurrency to promote education, culture and arts worldwide

These days Schwartz is busy creating a CC that goes beyond the regional — the project was launched in Brazil last November, although at its most initial stage. “We lack a monetization platform for creative processes which already exist [in our society]. [The world] should be more democratic rather than autocratic and technocratic”, — he says, while stressing the popularity of state-reinforcing technologies like mass surveillance in modern society as well as fluid stability of global currencies over the past few decades.
The platform called DarVoz got inspiration from UNESCO’s MIL CLICKS’ (a project Schwartz joined in 2006) agenda, which is based on the idea that responsible consumption and production of online content worldwide could be rewarded with digital currency. As professor explains:
“We’re working on the idea that we can share digital toolkits that may include the creative currency. It’s a concrete example of this idea of a great creative community that is leveraged by universities, artists, citizens into a whole new sphere for information exchange and local development. Whilst it doesn’t involve governments, it’s not against [the idea of] governments”.
Why not issue a new coin straight away, while it seems so easy to do in the world where even memes almost accidentally become successful currencies? Well, according to Schwartz, it contradicts the whole idea. “It makes no sense to go for an initial coin offering (ICO) if you don’t have the other ICO, which is Initial Community Organization. You need [to establish an] organic connection between community and the currency first. The idea is not that we want hundreds of new ICOs, we’re aiming at a currency system with diversity being an important part of its dynamics. It’s really complementary, it’s not antagonistic to the existing currencies and infrastructures. We’re not going backwards in terms of globalization — that’s for trade barriers advocats. Instead, we’re going forward, towards more interconnectivity but with a balance between the technological and the humanitarian”.
Acknowledging that conservative governments of the world wouldn’t be particularly happy about the idea that a regular, state-approved currency can be in any form substituted by decentralized ones, Schwartz seeks support among more open-minded institutes: universities, research groups and outreach projects.
“So far we haven’t leveraged enough support… there’s a funding issue here” admits Schwartz: “In order to develop something like a running currency, confidence is required. To get that confidence, you have to be trustable as an institutional body or as an organization. We still haven’t been able to convince any policymaker". However, DarVoz has found an alternative solution: these days Schwartz and his team are discussing their concept with other universities all over the world: "That way, we should be able to have a global social currency that connects different cultural and educational projects”.

Crypto technologies and transparency

To run such currency, DarVoz needs a platform. Schwartz’s team is currently negotiating with Holochain, an open source framework for peer-to-peer applications. “We’re going to hold a meet up with their team to brainstorm at the end of March. [But the] political situation in Brazil is very unstable at this point. In 21 years that I’ve been working with those projects at University of São Paulo this is the worst time to start” the professor laughs. Some caution wouldn’t hurt, Schwartz believes:
“It’s important to hold an open dialogue with the central bank as to what kind of currency that is and what kind of sphere it’s connected to… all kinds of walls are being built these days. It’s kind of like going back to the middle ages in that sense”.
The currency’s purpose is part of its value, as opposed to regular currency, which, according to Schwartz, “is useful for whatever — [with regular money] you can buy a gun, you can buy a glass of water”. His team is looking to achieve NGO levels of transparency — the activities circulating within the currency must be traceable and accountable for in order to be monetized. Such digital records are supposed to be stored within the Blockchain-type backbone of the currency:
“It naturally evolves into the public sphere of shared audiovisual content … Say, you held a lesson with 15 kids in Bolivia and took care of the garden around the church. You connect to the global network and share the record of your activities… Basically, it’s about how you translate knowledge into acknowledgment on a democratic [platform]”.
Despite the complexity of his concept and low interest among policy-makers and investors, Schwartz remains optimistic. “This is a learning process. The issue here is not about the currencies, it’s about all countries reaching a new level of understanding that can be at least comparable to the post-war welfare consensus. We’re now probably living through the last stages of the crisis. A new consensus is very likely, because we have much more tools to discuss, share and use. However, on the other hand, those very tools are very useful for control, censorship and oppression as well. You can use a knife to kill or to slice the bread and share”.

lunedì 9 aprile 2018

SNB rejects idea of retail central bank digital currency...maybe

SNB rejects idea of retail central bank digital currency 
Governing board member Andrea Maechler says central bank digital currency would bring “incalculable risks”, and denies that crypto tokens are “comparable with” money andrea-maechler SNB board member Andrea Maechler: central bank digital currency could “give rise to incalculable risks”
https://www.centralbanking.com/central-banks/currency/digital-currencies/3447396/snb-rejects-idea-of-retail-central-bank-digital-currency

 Central Banking Newsdesk 06 Apr 2018 
 Bank for International Settlements Currency Distributed ledger

The Swiss National Bank has come out against the idea of creating a central bank digital currency that would be accessible to the general public. Andrea Maechler, a member of the SNB’s governing board, set out the bank’s stance in a speech on April 5, saying such a currency “would give rise to incalculable risks with regard to financial stability”. By offering people an easy route to flee to safety, a central bank digital currency could add to the threat of bank runs. “Instead of operating as the bankers’ bank as it does today, the SNB would be acting as a commercial bank for end customers,” said Maechler. “Moreover, Switzerland would be alone in adopting such a solution: no other central bank has implemented such a solution to date.” Related articles RBI to consider launching digital currency Danish central bank dismisses central bank digital currency New paper examines central bank digital currency models How crypto is my currency? She was scathing about attempts to replace central bank money with private crypto tokens, such as bitcoin, arguing these were “not comparable [to] money”. They are not widely used as a medium of exchange, they are not a stable unit of account, and they are a poor long-term store of value, she argued. “Trust is the very essence of a stable currency,” said Maechler. “This trust cannot evolve without a solid framework, including a state governed by the rule of law, a sustainable economic and fiscal policy, and also an independent central bank.” However, echoing several other central bankers, Maechler said the underlying distributed ledger technology did have some potential. DLT, she noted, makes “verified information” available to a large number of entities simultaneously, making it “particularly appealing” for handling complex processes that require co-ordination. Possible applications include securities settlement and cross-border payments, said Maechler. While the SNB welcomes the progress so far, “there is still a long way to go before market-ready DLT solutions become a reality”. The board member stressed the importance of having ultra-reliable infrastructure underpinning the financial system – notably the real-time gross settlement systems operated by central banks. “Could DLT also be used in real-time gross settlement systems in the future – ie, as part of the reliable foundation?” she asked. “We see a number of questions that are still to be resolved here.” As yet, the technology does not meet the required standards for scalability, data security and reliability, she said. It is conceivable, however, that a DLT-based securities settlement system would need to link up with the real-time gross settlement system, added Maechler. That could happen via some sort of “technical interface” or it could involve a more radical integration of the systems, by having the private operators of the settlement system issue a token, against which securities could be settled. The token would be equivalent to commercial bank money, and would be fully secured by central bank money, she said. She noted central bank money could also be “tokenised”, but said there are “a number of questions” still to be answered in this regard. The Monetary Authority of Singapore is one central bank investigating this further.

SNB rejects idea of retail central bank digital currency Governing board member Andrea Maechler says central bank digital currency would bring “incalculable risks”, and denies that crypto tokens are “comparable with” money andrea-maechler SNB board member Andrea Maechler: central bank digital currency could “give rise to incalculable risks” Central Banking Newsdesk 06 Apr 2018 Tweet Facebook LinkedIn Save this article Send to Print this page Followi Bank for International Settlements Currency Distributed ledger The Swiss National Bank has come out against the idea of creating a central bank digital currency that would be accessible to the general public. Andrea Maechler, a member of the SNB’s governing board, set out the bank’s stance in a speech on April 5, saying such a currency “would give rise to incalculable risks with regard to financial stability”. By offering people an easy route to flee to safety, a central bank digital currency could add to the threat of bank runs. “Instead of operating as the bankers’ bank as it does today, the SNB would be acting as a commercial bank for end customers,” said Maechler. “Moreover, Switzerland would be alone in adopting such a solution: no other central bank has implemented such a solution to date.” Related articles RBI to consider launching digital currency Danish central bank dismisses central bank digital currency New paper examines central bank digital currency models How crypto is my currency? She was scathing about attempts to replace central bank money with private crypto tokens, such as bitcoin, arguing these were “not comparable [to] money”. They are not widely used as a medium of exchange, they are not a stable unit of account, and they are a poor long-term store of value, she argued. “Trust is the very essence of a stable currency,” said Maechler. “This trust cannot evolve without a solid framework, including a state governed by the rule of law, a sustainable economic and fiscal policy, and also an independent central bank.” However, echoing several other central bankers, Maechler said the underlying distributed ledger technology did have some potential. DLT, she noted, makes “verified information” available to a large number of entities simultaneously, making it “particularly appealing” for handling complex processes that require co-ordination. Possible applications include securities settlement and cross-border payments, said Maechler. While the SNB welcomes the progress so far, “there is still a long way to go before market-ready DLT solutions become a reality”. The board member stressed the importance of having ultra-reliable infrastructure underpinning the financial system – notably the real-time gross settlement systems operated by central banks. “Could DLT also be used in real-time gross settlement systems in the future – ie, as part of the reliable foundation?” she asked. “We see a number of questions that are still to be resolved here.” As yet, the technology does not meet the required standards for scalability, data security and reliability, she said. It is conceivable, however, that a DLT-based securities settlement system would need to link up with the real-time gross settlement system, added Maechler. That could happen via some sort of “technical interface” or it could involve a more radical integration of the systems, by having the private operators of the settlement system issue a token, against which securities could be settled. The token would be equivalent to commercial bank money, and would be fully secured by central bank money, she said. She noted central bank money could also be “tokenised”, but said there are “a number of questions” still to be answered in this regard. The Monetary Authority of Singapore is one central bank investigating this further.

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Distribution of national seigniorage profits is a matter for governments – ECB

Distribution of national seigniorage profits is a matter for governments – ECB

New head of Commission’s civil service is seen as key backer of seigniorage proposals European Commission
 https://www.centralbanking.com/central-banks/3433841/distribution-of-national-seigniorage-profits-is-a-matter-for-governments-ecb

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The European Commission's headquarters Dan Hardie 29 Mar 2018 Tweet Facebook LinkedIn Save this article Send to Print this page Followi Dan Hardie Europe European Central Bank (ECB)


The European Central Bank has said that individual eurozone countries must decide whether they direct profits from seigniorage to the European Commission, the European Union’s executive arm. An official statement from the ECB noted that any attempt to change how it distributes the profits of seigniorage in the eurozone would require amendments to the law that governs the institution. European commissioners privately discussed proposals to take such a step at their meeting yesterday (March 28). Sources in Brussels say no public comment from the Commission is likely before it publishes its official proposals on the matter, in an announcement expected to be on May 2. 

 The ECB says it retains some of the profits it generates to hold as reserves and distributes the rest to national central banks. In a statement sent to media outlets including Central Banking, the bank said: “The ECB distributes its profits to the ECB shareholders, the national central banks (NCBs). Together with their own profits, the NCBs distribute it, according to national legislation, to their shareholders which are the finance ministries. The respective ministries/governments decide what they do with that money.” The ECB added that “It is important to note that a change in the way ECB profits are distributed would require changing the [European System of Central Banks] statute”. The Commission is considering the proposal as one of several ways of raising revenue that it would directly control, rather than receive from the governments of European states. The likely fall in revenue that will follow the UK’s departure from the European Union is one factor prompting the proposals, according to some observers.

Revenue estimates 

In an official communication issued on February 14, the Commission suggested that a share of the seigniorage paid to national finance ministries “could be made available for the EU budget as a form of national contribution”.

The Commission said that “depending on the percentage applied, estimated revenues from seigniorage could range between €10.5 billion (10%, $13 billion) and €56 billion (50%) over seven years”. But the estimates of possible revenues from seigniorage may be too optimistic. The ECB’s annual report for 2016, published in April 2017, says that the central bank effectively made no profit on seigniorage that year. “The rate on the main refinancing operations decreased, significantly reducing the seigniorage income of the ECB,” the report says. “The average rate for 2016 was 0.01%, compared with 4% for 2008, and, as a result, the interest income on banknotes in circulation fell from €2.2 billion in 2008 to €0.01 billion in 2016.”

Key supporter 

Observers of EU institutions say a key supporter of the proposals is Martin Selmayr, who recently became head of the Commission’s civil service. He was appointed secretary-general on February 21, after being nominated by Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker. His predecessor, Alexander Italianer, unexpectedly stood down after two and a half years in the role, shortly after Juncker had nominated Selmayr for the position of deputy secretary-general. Selmayr’s appointment led to a heated public hearing in a European Parliament committee meeting. Members of the Parliament repeatedly questioned his appointment to the role, raising concerns about his perceived closeness to Juncker and how rapidly he had been given the job. A draft resolution prepared by the Parliament’s budget control committee has described Selmayr’s appointment as a “coup-like action” which threatens “reputational risk” to European institutions. Selmayr was Juncker’s campaign manager when the former Luxembourg prime minister lobbied to become president of the Commission in 2014. When Juncker was confirmed as president, he appointed Selmayr as his chief of staff, a role he held until being appointed secretary-general. Selmayr is a German citizen who worked as a lawyer at the ECB from 1998 to 2000. He and Claudia Zilioli co-authored a book, The law of the European Central Bank, which was published in 2001.

martedì 3 aprile 2018

Swiss referendum: 78% of people are not aware of how money is created in the economy


On June 10, Switzerland will be the first country to hold a nationwide referendum on “sovereign money”. Emma Dawnay, board member of the Swiss campaign explains how citizens would benefit from this proposal.
Last week the Swiss campaign organisation “Modernising Money” (MoMo) launched its national campaign in favor of the ‘sovereign money’ initiative – which will be put to a referendum on June 10, 2018. Sovereign money is a proposal which have been championed by Positive Money UK for several years. The reform would radically reform the banking and money system so that the entire money is created by the central bank for public-oriented purposes instead of commercial banks. While sovereign money remains a more distant prospect in the Eurozone, Positive Money Europe supports the Swiss initiative. We interviewed Emma Dawnay, board member of MoMo to know more about the initiative and how the debate is gaining traction in the Swiss population.

Stan Jourdan: How come Switzerland is holding a nationwide referendum on money creation?
Emma Dawnay: It all started after the financial crisis of 2007-2008. Hansruedi Weber read the book “Creating New Money” by Joseph Huber and James Robertson, which had been newly translated into German.
Weber realised two things. First, banks can create money in unlimited quantities – something that most people have no idea about. Second, he realized that Switzerland could be the first country to bring about a Sovereign Money reform because we have a system of direct democracy.
Under the Swiss democratic system, anyone can bring about a binding national referendum on a proposed change to the Constitution if they collect over 100,000 signatures within 18 months.
So Weber started to create connections with academics and other citizens who supported the idea. They went on to found the association MoMo (Monetäre Modernisierung) in 2011, with the aim of bringing about a people’s initiative on sovereign money. MoMo put together a text for the proposed change to the Constitution. In June 2014 we started collecting signatures. This was tough – many of us spent hours and days standing on street corners with a clipboard talking to passers-by, explaining about the banking system and sovereign money, then asking for their signatures. In December 2015 we handed in over 111,000 signatures to the Swiss authorities supporting this change, thereby triggering the referendum on sovereign money.
After being discussed in the Swiss Federal Council (the Swiss executive government) and both parliamentary chambers, the initiative will be submitted to a national referendum on 10th June 2018.

What is the purpose of the “Vollgeld-Initiative” and why should people support it?
The Sovereign Money Initiative (Vollgeld-Initiative in German) aims to amend the constitution so that bank deposits (or book money – the numbers we have in our bank accounts) become legal tender. In practice, this would mean that all money (whether in physical or electronic form) could only be created by the Swiss National Bank, and not by private banks.
At the moment about 90% of the money in circulation in Switzerland is created by banks such as UBS and Credit Suisse, the two biggest banks in Switzerland which are both mostly owned by foreign shareholders. Banks have a duty to maximise profits for their shareholders. In contrast, the Swiss National Bank has a constitutional mandate and is obliged by law to work in the interests of Switzerland as a whole.
Shifting to a sovereign money system would be barely noticed by bank customers. Their banks would continue to lend money, manage transactions and offer savings management services. However, should a bank go bankrupt, we would not need to bail out it with taxpayers money. This is because sovereign money – coins, banknotes and electronic money – would be completely safe, unlike under the current system when bank deposits simply disappear if the bank goes bankrupt. In other words, a sovereign money system would abolish the  “too big to fail” banking system we have today.
As a result of the reform, the proceeds from money creation would also be returned to the Swiss State and Cantons instead of the banks. Those profits could be used to reduce taxes or distribute money directly to citizens.

How was the initiative received so far within the Swiss society? Who are the groups supporting and opposing the idea?
The Federal Council, the parliaments and the Swiss National Bank have come out against it. Their main argument is that it would be too risky for Switzerland to switch to this system, because it would be the first country to do it. However, they neglect how similar this is to the historical case when banks were no longer allowed to print their own banknotes.
The Swiss Bankers Association is also strongly against it – but of course this is no surprise since the banks stand to lose some power and profits if the initiative was adopted. This is not in their shareholders’ interests. The main political parties are not supportive – they tend to stick to their conventional policies.

110.000 signatures were delivered to the Swiss Federal government in 2015.
Our supporters however come from all the political spectrum. Right-wing people are attracted by the fact banks will no longer be treated as a “special case” who need state support whenever a financial crisis looms. It would create a truly free market system.
Left-wing think sovereign money would improve social justice. Finally, environmentalists see our initiative as one way to achieve a steady state economy in which Society can increase general well-being without relying on infinite economic growth.
The main challenge of our campaign is to make people aware of the fact that banks create money. Research has shown that 78% of Swiss people are not aware of how money is created in the economy. Further, once people have been made aware of this, the majority support the Sovereign Money Initiative.
78% of Swiss people are not aware of how money is created in the economy.
The campaign started last week. What are the key activities you will until June 10 do to rally people’s support?
Our campaign will focus on the simple question “Who should create our Swiss francs?” As well as holding talks and having street stalls, we will run a poster and leaflet campaign, and get the message out on social media.

Are you confident that about the referendum outcome?
It is sometimes thought of as a topic which is too difficult for the people, but by making people aware that the initiative proposes that the Swiss National Bank creates the Swiss francs – as most people believe it does already – we can win. The challenge is to get the message through to the majority of voters.

As citizens of the EU, what can we do to support the campaign?
The first thing of course is to promote our raise awareness about our campaign around you (you can find out more at www.vollgeld-initiative.ch). Donations are also greatly appreciated (you can make donations from this page). We also welcome on the ground support with leafleting and other street actions! If you would like to visit Switzerland in the weeks before the referendum, get in touch with us: emma.dawnay@vollgeld-initiative.ch.

lunedì 2 aprile 2018

Is money the capital or debt of the issuer?

Is money the capital or debt of the issuer?

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